I’ve written before about the challenges of discernment when working with the worlds of discarnate beings. (See “When Is an Entity Not an Entity?” among other posts.) The following is a somewhat condensed version of a December email conversation with Vicki Talbott, who you met in my recent post on Electronic Voice Phenomena and other technologically-mediated methods of communication. It begins with more on the potential confusions of dealing with Famous Dead People and those who only pretend to be such. Vicki’s comments are used with permission and appear in bold. I have added comments that were not part of the original exchange, in brackets.
Vicki: Well and truthfully, as mediums we do not normally go around having convos with FDP right and left. Our spirit guides, guardian angels, whatever we have and however we refer to them, are not normally famous. A medium can go a lifetime without coming into contact with many world famous FDP. As above, so below. So it seems strange to me that some organizations and ITC practitioners are promoting this end of EVP communication, the FDP connection. As if that validates their work in a way that your average Joe coming through doesn’t. [Gary Schwartz’s group working on the “Soul Phone” has apparently been attempting to contact only the Famous Dead. I find this mystifying.]
The question is why would we believe what we hear from spirit more than we believe what we sense or intuit? Because it’s physical confirmation of communication, which is quite powerful, but still it is NOT confirmation of a famous person coming through. Yes, we know it happens, but no, it is not common. As well, many if not most enlightened FDP do not like to give their names, saying that self-identification injects ego into the mix, not a good idea. So nowadays you see all these folks giddily saying they’re communicating with the likes of Einstein and Tesla. They might very well be. Then again, given the nature of most high-level discarnate FDP who shy away from earthly distinction and name dropping, they might very well not be. It’s just a caution is all, to be very careful about whom you think you are speaking to and whom you tell about it….
I’ve watched critiques of a few of the wayward who 1. use their mental instead of physical mediumship skills to ‘tune in’ to the deceased, and thus 2. allow for tricksters to, accidentally or no, make us think we’re hearing the voices of people we aren’t. In these cases it’s sometimes NOT an FDP. What is unfortunate is that some very good people are hurt this way, often without realizing it, as everyone, including the best of mediums, has lessons to learn.
Braden* has concerns about some mediums thinking they are talking to anyone at all, when actually they are at times resourcing their own higher self and/or the mind of the client, as well as entertaining imposters.
Elene: Indeed, this can be very complicated. I’m much more a clairvoyant and empath than a medium (and not very ept as a telepath), but as you know, I do have some mediumistic ability, so I see both sides of this. I do a lot of work with my patients that involves reading what’s stored in their bodies and minds, but also often reading their family members or other close associates. I don’t advertise about this, but it’s often crucial to healing, and sometimes patients ask me specifically for that kind of work and trust me to be able to do something meaningful. One thing that helps keep me out of trouble is that even then, I’m not really under pressure to come up with anything– nothing to prove. If I can’t get any useful impressions, we can still do other energy work or just do acupuncture. But usually I do get something.
I find that there is typically a representation of the patient’s mom, husband, or whoever in a region of the field around their body, and I can interact with that. On occasion it has appeared that I actually ended up in contact with that person in real time, but usually it’s more like a recording or template of the person. It’s not critical to know which is which for doing this kind of healing, as the patient and I can clear whatever needs clearing one way or the other, but I think generally I can tell if I’m in direct contact with a third entity.
(This kind of experience can be quite wearing on me, but is also among the most worthwhile types of work I ever do.)
V: This concern is not a huge one for Braden as he thinks the deluded and the shysters will be discovered and fall by the wayside, but it’s interesting to note, and it’s been helpful to me in determining whether I’m talking to an FDP or my own higher self for example….
The Technician, one of The Seven (high level beings associated with ITC), has stated that with mental mediumship, 1/5 of what is heard is directly from spirit, while up to 4/5 is filtered through the consciousnesses involved, hence some well-meaning yet mistaken psychic mediums out there spouting their own and their clients feelings on matters, peppered with info read from the deceased to bolster the information. Here’s a scenario. The medium says the client has a black dog, a red car, and a bad relationship with a relative, all correct, and anything that comes after that, like a serenade from Frank Sinatra, is taken as gospel truth.
[Vicki had suggested that I give her questions for our mutual friend Chopin, and I had requested that she ask about Rose Creet, the sitter in the Leslie Flint group with whom he claimed a centuries-long close relationship. As I told Vicki, I was desperately curious about Rose, but had never been able to get a word out of Fryderyk about her, so I wasn’t expecting much. Vicki did get an extremely intriguing recording, though, which contains an exotic, difficult-to-understand voice, and then someone who sounds much like Rose as she did in life. As with some of the other clips, her words are distinct but I don’t understand the meaning of the message. See if you can do any better than I:
E: The very metallic, inhuman-sounding voice that you heard as saying, “Rose, stand up”— would that have been one of The Seven? Or just a very distorted deceased-person voice? Can you tell me anything about The Seven?
V: It could have been but I don’t really know. That voice, that entity, has come through on Big Circle recordings for all of us for years. But we work with a high level group of entities who work with even higher entities and on it goes, who don’t think hanging one’s FDP shingle is a good idea….
In a nutshell, some mediums try to read the deceased rather than link with the deceased and thus much of what they say is muddied with earthly human consciousness. When one tries to read rather than link, inaccuracies accumulate, especially regarding feelings and emotions. ITC, on the other hand, by virtue of its method and means, ‘forces’ the physical medium into a direct link, with the deceased being the primary communicator (4/5) and not the other way around.
E: I’ve had a great deal of practice at distinguishing my own thoughts and feelings, including [apparent] past-life thoughts and feelings of “another me,” from the input coming from discarnates or from my patients and their own associated beings, but there is always plenty of room for error.
Once I asked Fryderyk whether, in direct voice communication, the mind of the medium is involved, since the voices don’t seem to be coming directly from the medium. (I was particularly concerned with that since in the Leslie Flint opus there are turns of phrase that to me are quite unusual and even incorrect, but occur over and over.) He replied, “The medium cannot turn off his brain just because he is a medium.”
V: Yes as I said this is not such a huge concern for the likes of you according to Braden. But apparently there are many mediums who aren’t really communicating with whom they think they are. Perhaps it’s a matter of skill and experience, not sure. The medium can never turn off the brain, but with ITC, the human influence on the communication is far less pronounced than with mental mediumship, according to afterlife sources. Which means these guys can say they are someone they aren’t and get away with it more easily perhaps? Especially since we can all hear the EVP for example. Still wondering.
…That 4/5 packs a powerful ITC punch, so imagine this coming from a prankster, hence the strong caution from the Big Circle.
E: I don’t think I’ve told you anything about my [apparent] encounters with the ultimate FDP, Jesus, as yet, though you may have seen something about that on my blog. That brings up one aspect that can help with knowing a communication is authentic: when it is not at all what we are expecting or wanting.
My first experience with him, channeled by my now-deceased friend H., was much as one might expect him to be— a very large, loving, compassionate being of great power and yet infinite kindness and gentleness. When he came to my office with H., a couple of years or so later, I didn’t recognize him at all. All I knew was that there was a man sitting at my elbow while I worked with H., who was lying on my table. He seemed quite ordinary, and chatted on and on with messages for her. She kept asking me if I knew who he was, and I kept replying, “I don’t know, it’s some guy.” H. was beside herself with amusement at this, and eventually let me in on the secret.
I was astonished, and commented that he seemed so small compared to the way I had seen him before. “Yes, he does that,” she replied— he could present himself in a form that we could deal with more comfortably.
The dissertation he gave through me was completely clear, words and images, and profound. Something H. would benefit by hearing but didn’t want to hear. I asked her if it sounded meaningful to her. “Yes, it’s what he tells me all the time,” she said. Perhaps he thought that if she heard it through someone else she would finally accept it?
It seemed to me that it was best that I didn’t know I was in communication with this extremely Famous Dead Person. Since to me he was Just Some Guy, I didn’t get intimidated or freeze up, and I was able to transmit his message smoothly. It was a wonderful afternoon. I still profit from the message he gave that day.
V: You hit the nail on the head with your Jesus encounter. This is exactly what Braden has been saying about it. He once said I’d be too intimidated to know who some of these entities were, and he’s right. Of course, others may react differently and hobnob with The Christ for lunch. Not me.
[Anecdote about someone who was in a clearly fraudulent séance but received a message that was useful and comforting to her.]
E: Which is another important point– often it doesn’t matter so much if we know the exact source of the material, as long as the message itself is valuable.
V: This is also true.
*Vicki’s deceased son, a strong and humorous communicator. See previous posts on EVP.